The Story Behind Express Writers (As We Celebrate 3 Years)

The Story Behind Express Writers (As We Celebrate 3 Years)

So, Express Writers has been around now for three years. This blog, by the CEO (Julia), takes a look at our crazy journey. I hope you’ll be inspired; I think you’ll be amused; if anything, it will be a fun read. I promise. And if you’re here reading our celebratory blog today, there’s probably a 95% chance you helped in our success somehow, from giving our CEO a handshake to buying our content or writing it. And since you’re probably a little bit invested (or a lot), it’s worth a read.

Express Writers was launched mid-May of 2011; the launch was not funded, invested or marketed by a third party; total costs to launch were kept under $170; and the single person responsible was myself, a 20-year-old female who dropped out of college to leave a nursing degree and pursue her passion, copywriting.

Who Is Julia?

julia mccoyIn 2011, our founding date, I was a typical broke college student, working overtime at McDonalds, a job I’d started in 2005; pulling all-nighters, working 10 hour shifts at a time. I was also a full-time college student studying nursing (RN), piling up more than 12 credit classes per semester, going through summer. In the middle of all that, I wasn’t happy. I didn’t like my restaurant shift; I was discovering in school that nursing, my golden “hope and dream” as a child, was not for me.

Naturally, I was an inspired young person, with a natural talent in computers and writing. In a pastor’s family, and taught to be quiet in public, I loved to come up with ideas on my own and implement them. How did the change from what I was doing to what I love doing happen? I simply woke up one day and asked myself, “What does Julia love to do the most?” And I was inspired and motivated to find the answer—not just think about it. I knew the answer when I looked back. My passion was writing.

To understand my passion, you’ll need a glimpse at home-schooled, four-eyed, 8-year-old me. I had started writing a novel that was 200 pages when it was completed by the time I was 12 (with a subsequent trilogy in the works). It was a medieval fiction tale about a knight, incorporating my love of the post-Dark-Ages and a lot of research I had done about that era. Instead of playing in the yard every summer afternoon, I was in the house drumming my ideas out on our Windows ‘95 computer when I was 11 years old. I dreamed, ate, slept that story. I created it; I loved my characters; sometimes I was too caught up in it. To get some outside expertise on my writing, I was involved at Writing.com, an awesome online community where writers can sign up and publish their own portfolio, feature their writing online, start networking and meeting fellow writers. (I would recommend this resource primarily for fiction and peer networking: you can’t earn anything from it.) I had an established account there and was getting book reviews for sample chapters, talking to people who were three times my age. They were reading my book samples and loving it. At least 10 people said they would buy it as soon as I published it. When the book was completed after countless stages of re-reading and revisions with my family and adult friends of my family, I started mailing copies out. I sent my book in to at least 20 writing contests, only to be rejected by all. (One sent a lovely letter saying their entire staff read the book and loved it, but I needed to be a little older than 12.) I lined up a publisher after researching over 100 of them: I was going to use Lulu.com, a self-publisher. I wanted to do this myself. (I had a really hands-on type of entrepreneur-mindset from that age.)

The big morning comes—I woke up to work on last touches, my dad and mom are there in the room and they’re talking about my publishing goals. I insert my 3 ½ floppy, where my book was stored, in the drive: those horrible beep sounds erupt from the evil Windows 95 machine like a mad cow on steroids…and I read an error message that states, Floppy drive has failed. Reformat? Reformatting meant wiping the drive. My dad jumped to the computer; we both tried to work on every idea to recover the drive contents—but alas. It had failed. The book was gone.

Fast-forward a little. To be accredited in homeschooling in Pennsylvania, homeschoolers had to take huge, long tests every 5th, 8th, and 12th grade. They included SAT and ACT content, and it took about 7 hours to sit down and get through them. I scored past-college grades on every English test, in each grade level, from reading comprehension to creative writing. I loved doing these tests. They weren’t a test; they were fun. When I took my entrance tests for college, I scored out of every single English class requirement except the mandatory one.

Year 2005. When I was 14, I started two companies, a local cleaning services company and a computer repair company, employing myself. I walked door-to-door on summer days to market them. I did better with the computer repair company; I knew how to troubleshoot computers and fix just about any minor issue, from network issues to programs not installing. (Minor stuff.) With the computer repair company, I earned about $5,000 my first year, driving to local’s houses and fixing their computers. I only got one gig with the cleaning company before I decided to drop it. (I wasn’t the best cleaner in the world.) I also started working at McDonalds after I got a permit for underage workers (that little blue card).

Year 2007. I was 16. I learned HTML code myself; I helped build my dad’s website; I was a moderator on several forums; and I started getting into paid surveys online, found a way to make money out of them (you had to signup without getting scammed), and earned over $300 a month that way. I did mystery shopping and all those types of gigs. I looked into MLM and pyramid schemes and didn’t like them too much. I connected with lots of encouraging entrepreneurs who gave me so much advice and hope through the jobs’ online forums. When I was 17, I started nursing and was almost full time at McDonalds; I got drowned in nursing and McDonalds, and subsequently gave up other things that my parents told me were “distractors” that year.

How I Started Express Writers

By the time I was 19, I knew two things: I loved to be an entrepreneur and create things that were 100% my idea… and I wanted to work on an idea till it was happening and real and succeeding, not just a dream. It was something I couldn’t get out of my heart. My big dream was to do this and succeed—with a six-figure salary. Yes, I had hopes that were bigger than the town I grew up in. Secondly, I personally loved to write and was very good at it. I hadn’t connected the two things (entrepreneurship and writing) yet.

The Nitty-Gritty, Car Mechanic Type of Labor Where Express Writers Was Born… 2011 was the year I taught myself copywriting. The writing that you can sell and people can use for their SEO optimized websites, not just writing for fun. I dug deep in the online freelancing world in late 2010, getting up at 4:30 am to do this. This real world was rough. I didn’t know much at all when I dove straight into it. When I started getting work, I had no local clients, and no one even hired me as retainer; my “clientele” came and went. They wanted a resume, and nothing else; 50 articles, and nothing else; 1 press release, and nothing else. It was a fighting war to find jobs those first months. There were so many nights I went to bed not sure if I was going to get paid the next morning. I really tasted failure time and time again—I got so many rejections—but always, always, things pulled through to be hopeful enough for me to continue (sometimes, barely). I thank God for that today. There were weeks when I was writing 50 articles per day. Yes, you read that right, not a typo—50. I started getting carpal tunnel down my fingers and wrists from that. The worst part was that in these early days I thought $1.25 per article was a lot of money. I probably started writing my first “freelance articles” getting paid around .50c/pay per original article. (Yes, horrifying…but remember, it was pretty much how I learned to copy write. Today I don’t even grudge those employers their rip-off schemes. At least I learned my trade that way. And I heard it all—“here’s a .25c raise coming your way! We are the best employer you’ll ever get!” among other lies.) But finally, by February 2011, I was earning enough to pay my parents’ rent charges, gas to school, and cell phone bills monthly. In March 2011, I quit McDonalds.

I might as well add this in! Here’s a brief guide that I wish I had at the start of how to get started as an online writer (note, this opportunity is a flourishing one). Skip to “A Failure Brought About Express Writers“ if you’re not the online writing type (it’s ok, you can be our client).

  • First, teach yourself something about online copywriting. Don’t apply to a first position without studying up a bit. Copyblogger offers a lot of great resources that are a good start (look under Articles and Ebooks—I would recommend trying to read all their e-books, which are fairly short and sweet).
  • Sites like Craigslist.org (look for your local town, then go to Gigs > Writing), Problogger.net, Indeed.com (look under writing/copywriting as a job keyword), and LinkedIn Jobs (look for keywords like writing, copywriting) are the top places to look for jobs. I found 90% of my writing jobs on Craigslist my first year. Just watch out for the people who are paying “pro bono” (meaning not at all). (Two tips you won’t read anywhere else. Problogger often lists unique jobs for specific skills you might be a PERFECT fit for: like a gaming writer 50 or older, or a young female fashion writer. Jobs that list characteristics like these WON’T hire anyone else. LinkedIn tends to have the BIG names (GE, Kohl’s, etc.) who are looking to hire individual freelancers, not agencies—you have a good foot in the door if you’re one copywriter with a polished LinkedIN resume.)
  • Get hired by an agency, like mine (Express Writers). An agency position could be a long-term career or just a foot in the door. You’ll get to work alongside people who can give you advice when you need it, and sometimes will offer resources and training.

A Failure Brought About Express Writers. A failure made Express Writers happen. Here’s how. Late March 2011, things were picking up for me with freelancing. I grew a small reputation for being one of the few on-time, American, excellent-quality, and reliable writers available on the freelance work platforms. People started referring me to others. I was handling college and my freelance work, which was slowly becoming a disaster, because my writing clientele was growing and growing. I was really overwhelmed trying to handle both nursing and writing, trying to wrap up writing jobs, handle new ones, and study and pass all my tests for nursing. By mid-2011, my second nursing semester was coming to an end. It abruptly ended by my clinical instructor bringing me in her office the last day and telling me I had failed my clinical class and the semester. I had not a single “unsafe” and no specific reasons to have failed; she simply told me she could tell my heart wasn’t involved. She said when I talked about my company on lunch breaks; I had so much passion and excitement. Why don’t I consider focusing on that? That was really hard to hear that day. I had a 1-year period to retake the semester and keep my place without having to restart everything again from first semester. After going home, crying my eyes out, listening to my dad tell me I failed my studies, failed because I had deserted my calling, and more, I wiped my eyes dry…and considered what to do. There was no question really in my heart—I wanted to pursue my company, drop every other work calling, and mold and build that beautiful little thing to success. This was a strong, heartfelt passion. My clinical instructor was right.

The First Year (2011). The name Express Writers was coined on oDesk in about 10 minutes, early May of 2011. Why did I create it? I really wish I had a more inspired idea to tell you. I’m ashamed to say, it was a short-term idea. I simply woke up one day to way too many orders in my email inbox. Slammed with work, I needed help. There were writers like me struggling out there; I could hire them, build an agency of excellent writers, and make a small profit. I created an “oDesk company profile”; and Express Writers made its first debut online appearance. I put the name in Edwardian script and turned that into an official logo. (To me, that was the most beautiful font in the world. Don’t laugh—at least it wasn’t Papyrus!)

May 2011 was a big month. I failed nursing, and launched my business. Remember how I said I kept my launch costs under $170? I had found a developer in the Philippines who charged me $80 to theme and code my website, this one:

Express Writers 2011 Website

I bought my first website domain for around $7; hosting, my first month, for about $3; my fictitious name from the Feds for $75; a professional photograph of myself for free from my sister, this one:Julia McCoy

…and then sat down for three 12-hour stints at the computer to write all my website copy and finish coding it to completion, before launching it May 25-26, 2011.

I let my small subscriber list of clients know my company had launched, and started marketing my website—through my own writing, of course. I set goals to work on rankings; I targeted long tail keywords and wrote at least 3 blogs and 3 E-zine articles a week to market it; along with writing 50% of my clientele orders myself, outsourcing the other 50% to my baby team of no more than 8-10 people the first year. There was some writing I thoroughly enjoyed, including blogging for Hyundai and GM dealers where I researched and wrote about new car models weekly. I can still tell you all about the Hyundai Genesis. Besides, I needed to write it myself to pay the most of my bills, I couldn’t survive on $2-3 profit per article for 20 articles a week.

Hiring…And Firing. April and May, I tested the waters. I learned how to hire “contractors” and researched things like registered as a sole proprietorship and getting a fictitious name. When I started looking for and then hired my very first team member, Aimee, I had no idea she’d still be with us to this very day. (She writes technical and marketing content, and is featured on our About page.) This doesn’t mean hiring my other writers was easy. I had writers who were furious with me for not paying them top dollar, threatening to sue or report (which dumbfounded me); writers who caused me the loss of some of my best clients, because they didn’t deliver when they said they would; all in all, about 100 fires for my first 10 solid hires.

But these were the months I decided I wanted to focus on a business in this wonderful industry of copywriting. Going the route of hiring people and beginning a company, instead of pursuing individual freelancing, seemed like the best long-term option for me. One day I knew I would get honest-to-God tired of writing so many articles a day, I thought. (I still write for our Express Writers blogs, and probably won’t want to ever give that up.) I wanted to work a lot less while employing an amazing array of writers and being able to connect them with great clients. One criteria: the writers had to be at least as good as me, if not better.

2011-2014: A Fast Road on Full Throttle. Things progressed rapidly. I marketed with very little money, posting Craigslist ads, and using all the freelance work platforms (Elance, oDesk, Freelancer) to scour for hundreds of jobs daily and apply to them all. I had a goal of sending about 200 emails daily, posting about 5-10 Craigslist ads, and applying to about 50 jobs. Craigslist ads, believe it or not, brought me about 60% of my clientele the first year. This was the full-color Craigslist ad I created for my postings, using Photoshop and simple text:
Craigslist Ad

My first big client was Enigma Software, who needed monthly technical articles. (I found them on Amazon…long story.) My second biggest clients included a tax attorney firm and a marketing department in California. In 2012, I managed everything myself and worked on growing my company (easily putting in over 60 hours a week), employing not more than 20-30 writers.

My first staff hires were not until 2013. In February 2013, I hired my first full-time single manager for the team, Tamila. She put in 40 hours a week and when I realized that one person was just not enough, I let her go and hired two Coordinators in April 2013, sisters Annie and Alecs. I found them on Elance, and they had been my writers (very much in-demand, talented writers) for a month before they reached out and asked if I was hiring staff. That was God aligning things, because I found out they had just been let go from their full time job with a bigger agency than mine (which gave them the perfect experience for my company). They are still with us today, full-time, and not a single day goes by but I feel grateful for them, their work ethic, reliability, and heartfelt involvement. I hired our first Staff Editor in April of 2013; and since then, we’ve hired about five Staff Editors. Our current Client & Sales Coordinator, Sarah, was hired in November 2013.

A little stats on these “fast years”: In 2012, I doubled 2011’s overall income, output and efforts, while managing everything on my own with about 20-30 employed writers. In August 2012, I met my husband and COO Josh McCoy, when he hired me to write his website content on oDesk. (We were married January the next year!) In 2013, I (once again) doubled the previous year’s record; hired my first staff; and employed 30 writers. In 2013, it was a triple output; and we were employing over 50 writers and 5 staff. And in late 2013, I made a big move and “fired myself” from all freelance platforms, hiring a full time sales representative to cold call our target clientele, SEO and digital agencies as a marketing replacement. It was a scary move for me, since freelance platforms accounted for at least 25% of Express Writers’ clientele and income. However, I had come to discover that freelance platforms (Elance, oDesk, Freelancer being the tops—and now one company is merging to own all of them) are quite honestly a pitfall of cheap, bad, and poor quality employers, as well as terrible freelance support on the part of the platforms themselves. Since leaving these poor quality workforce areas, I am blessed to report we had the best month we’ve ever had, this February 2014.

That’s the story, in a nutshell. Well—not so much a nutshell. (Sorry about that.) And if I’ve left you wondering a little how I got from 2011 to today in terms of client growth…it’s just been a steady journey of both finding clients and hiring and firing team members. I’ve video-Skyped with managers in Europe with the Bank of Austria, whose content we are still on retainer writing; I’ve had the opportunity to interview brilliant industry minds; worked with Wal-Mart and Johnson & Johnson, and decided to fire the latter because they didn’t pay and took a month to review 50 words; and had the pleasure to work alongside some amazing people, who far surpassed my hiring criteria of “at least as good quality as myself”. (That stupefies me regularly still: How did 23-year-old me become the employer of much older, much talented and creative persons? And I love that I can hand out a work-from-home, awesome opportunity to these greatly deserving recipients.)

What’s Ahead. Today, our team has created over 10,000 pages; 5,000 projects; served worldwide clients; and we have over 60 expert writers and editors employed. We celebrate a third year in an industry that has expanded out of proportions we expected: today is quite the day of content marketing. The value of content is ever increasing. Writing exceptional content that is shareable, readable, and creative is what content marketing means today – and there’s no question about a need for talent in the writing industry, when you look at that criteria.

This year, we have big things on the works…our Content Shop, neck-deep in custom development, content services continually being refined, team training, and a brand expansion and re-launch with the launch of our Content Shop. We hope to sell even more premium level quality as we re-launch. We’ve had quite some development curveballs with the custom build platform for the Content Shop, which means more time necessary before we launch it – but it will happen (that’s a promise)! Last but not least, I am expecting my first baby with hubby any day now—if she arrives this week, it will be just that much more icing on the cake!
EW new site
Here’s to another great year ahead!

Julia McCoy of Express Writers Interviews Jayson DeMers, CEO of AudienceBloom

Julia McCoy of Express Writers Interviews Jayson DeMers, CEO of AudienceBloom

On February 14, I interviewed Jayson DeMers. He was unavailable via conference or video, so we utilized a live Google Doc (what awesome technology!). Jayson is the CEO of AudienceBloom.com, a content marketing & social media marketing agency, and has been in web and online marketing since 2010.

I asked Jayson DeMers several questions centering around 2014 online content practices for him to answer, and he obligingly accommodated with very helpful answers.

 

Julia: Please tell us a little about yourself and what you do in regards to web content/Internet! How do you serve others with AudienceBloom, your company? You and I were starting out about the same time, if I’m right? (in 2010-2011)

Jayson: Sure! I grew up in Seattle, WA, where I still live and run my business, AudienceBloom. AudienceBloom is a full-service content marketing, SEO, and social media agency. Personally, I love writing and publishing helpful, informational content and advice across publishers like Forbes, Entrepreneur.com, and Huffington Post. And yes, I started AudienceBloom in April of 2010, so you and I were starting out about the same time.

 

What Jayson DeMers Thinks About SEO & Content Post-Google Updates

Julia: How do you think keyword optimization in content has changed since the Google updates (Panda, Penguin, etc)?

Jayson: I think it’s all but dead now. Whereas keyword density used to be a popular term and metric used to decipher the SEO-optimization level of content, it’s now seen as a manipulative, antiquated practice and metric. These days, the only metric that matters is quality, and quality is measured by social shares, reads, and inbound links to the content.

 

Julia: What are other noticeable content changes have you encountered post-Google updates?

Jayson: Really, it’s just about content quality and shareability now. Keywords, keyword density, and other long-obeyed SEO content metrics are a thing of the past. Great content that adds value, builds your brand, and establishes credibility and authority is all that matters now.

 

Julia: What do you feel about guest blogging today? We’ve all heard the buzz that Matt Cutts, leader of Google’s Webspam team, recently discounted it.

Jayson: I’ve got an upcoming article in Search Engine Journal that outlines exactly how I feel, but in a nutshell, I still strongly endorse (and engage in) guest blogging. Not as a link building tactic (which is what Cutts warns against), but rather as a brand building, credibility building, authority building tactic that increases my audience and reach. Furthermore, guest blogging provides referral traffic which can convert very well. It’s a brand-building tactic rather than a link building tactic, and that’s what should be the focus in 2014.

 

Web Copy Trends in 2014, According to Jayson DeMers

Julia: What do you think the trends are for web content in 2014? What should we be aware of (good practices) and what to avoid (bad practices)?

Jayson: Most companies know by now that they need to produce and publish content, but what I’ve found is that their idea of the quantity of content is far less than what they actually need. Many people think that 3 blog posts per month is sufficient. But in reality, 1 per day should be the goal for a small business. Furthermore, content distribution is going to be key to running a successful content marketing strategy in 2014. After publishing content, it needs eyeballs, and that’s where many companies don’t know what to do. Distributing that content strategically to get the right audience’s eyeballs on it is going to be critical for staying ahead of the competition. Bad practices to avoid will be posting content that isn’t interesting or valuable to your audience, not posting enough content, and not engaging in an offsite content strategy.

 

Julia: Thanks for your time! 🙂

Jayson: You’re very welcome! Thanks to you as well.

 

 

Google Hangout with Robert O’Haver and Rand Fishkin, CEO of MOZ, on Web Content Trends for 2014

Google Hangout with Robert O’Haver and Rand Fishkin, CEO of MOZ, on Web Content Trends for 2014

We had the opportunity to attend and pose a live question during a Google Hangout on Air hosted by Robert O’Haver with guest speaker Rand Fishkin, CEO of Moz, 20-year Internet veteran also known for co-authoring Art of SEO and co-founding Inbound.org.

View the Hangout on Youtube

Since Rand was answering questions live on air, I was able to post two questions for him, which he answered during the Hangout:

 

julia-mccoy-rand-fishkin

 
Rand’s question to our first question, what does he think about guest blogging, was sending us to his blog on the matter: Why Guest Posting & Blogging is a Slippery Slope. He posted this early in the week when checking on the G+ questions:

rand-fishkin-guest-blogging

 

Rand’s blog on guest blogging is well-worth a read if you are looking for in-depth thoughts, including answers to certain fallacies and assumptions about the matter.

 

His answer to our second question, what does Rand think in general of web content trends for 2014, was live on air. We’ve transcribed it:

 

Rand: So Julia wants to know, I and many others I know and work with would love to know what Rand thinks in general of web content trends in 2014. So I’ll answer the second one, since we talked about the first one.

 

So web content trends: the way I see things going is essentially we have sort of what I call two big trends going on.

 

One is a massive increase in the number of marketers who are interested in and performing content marketing; and because of that, you have much, much more competition than you’ve ever had before. That increased competition is causing a second trend, which is what I call consumer or content fatigue.

 

People who use social media to find content, find things on Reddit, get stuff emailed to them by friends, use Facebook, are getting overwhelmed; the amount of content that they are receiving, or you know being able to access, is just exponentially larger than it was a couple of years ago.

 

And so, what these two trends together combine to do is they make it such that a content marketer today and for the future is going to have to do two things in my opinion. Number one, focus on quality over quantity. Right? You can’t just say to do content marketing, I’m going to put out a blog post every night. I don’t think that’s what true, great content marketing will entail. I think it‘ll be: I have something truly valuable to share, I have a great way to present it, I have really put in the effort, I will put something out there that is far beyond the quality of what anyone else has done.

 

The second piece of that is not just great quality, but uniqueness of presentation. So, being the exception to the rule is going to be more and more and more important. That means the standard, long scroll-y infographic that everyone has seen a hundred thousand times, it has a little chart for a little thing, that might not be so great anymore. The silly little, fun little YouTube video might not work as well as it used to. The standard blog post with just some blocks of text might not work so well. But, we’re seeing the rise of things like Svbtle as a blogging platform because it’s very unique and it really is the exception to the rule in terms of things like presentation. We’re seeing a lot more visual assets do particularly well; high quality, interactive elements and quizzes and these types of things. The NY Times had a great language-based quiz that tried to identify where you were from based on how you answered particular questions. So, you know, there’s opportunity.

 

Presenter: Robert O’Haver I think, you also mentioned it, but the importance of not just puking up what someone else has written, but be unique with it, and stay relevant.

 

Rand: Yeah, absolutely.

 

Thank you, Rand, for such a great and informative answer to our question!
 

Julia Interviews Marc Landsberg, CEO of Social Deviant

Julia Interviews Marc Landsberg, CEO of Social Deviant

I had the pleasure of interviewing Marc Landsberg, CEO of Social Deviant, on Friday, January 24, 2014. See Marc’s blog and see his company online, Social Deviant. We were originally planning a Google Hangout, hosted by Open Communications, Mark’s marketing team—but it refused to work for us. Yes, maddening! Especially because we had our video cameras all ready! But, we were still able to meet in a recorded phone conference, and had a great conference together. 

What Marc Thought of Express Writers!

 

I started by introducing my company and asking Marc about Social Deviant. In return, Marc first started off by talking about how he appreciated, and saw the need and value for, the specific and large amounts of content Express Writers publishes. Marc is a 25+ year marketing veteran with a global exposure to CMOs, CEOs, for a long time, having built and sold his own businesses across the years. He saw a frustration in this world among agency owners where people did not create real-world content, which he saw as fundamental for their success—not an afterthought. Smart marketing of the future is smart content marketing, and they are synonymous. He saw the value in what Express Writers does from noticing a lack of the type of content we deliver. For instance, in one blog we talked about how to optimize your Pinterest posts. Marc saw that this offered real-world value to our followers. Too many agencies, Marc said, saw things from a 30,000 foot view—and the content topics we are delivering are spot on in today’s Internet.

 

Social Deviant Serving Big Names

Marc then talked about the value his brand, Social Deviant, brings to clients. “A toddler in a man’s body,” his less-than-two-year-old company focuses on helping their clients build smart social media strategies, identifying target audiences, thinking about business objectives and marketing goals, defining the content mixed model, and putting this into social platforms; including specific management, development, and optimization. SD links a strategic approach with a conceptual, creative approach instead of a programmatic idea of reposting, etc.  It’s a different approach, top-down rather than bottom-up. He outlined how he’s been targeting key metrics and building a content strategy for several clients. Just two years old, Social Deviant has already built out an entire strategy plan for amplify and publicize a new route in air travel across social media, and a specific retainer project for a big brand for Miller Coors Kraft Beer.

 

Why Social Deviant?

I asked Marc about his reasoning behind the company name Social Deviant. He believes in deviating from the typical and wants to revolutionize, in several ways, the field he works in. It’s also just as much as important, how you do it as what you do. Great reasoning, Marc!

 

Content & Social Media

Next up were my questions for Marc. Since he has probably seen it all when it comes to social media, I asked him what he thought of the role that content played in social media, specifically for example: how do blogs work for social media?

 

Content & Social Media = Synonymous

Marc said this is one of his favorite questions. What Social Deviant has done is equate social media with content. Social Deviant has basically made social media and content synonymous. Social media is content, Marc said. He said Express Writers’ content is great—because everything they do for clients is about content. Strategic issues arise, for example, how to measure and manage over time; how staffing can deliver smart content marketing; with POV on lots of this. Social Deviant has done a little “sleight-of-hand” to equate social media marketing to content marketing and include things like business metrics and content types, formats, frequency and volume, the social platforms, syndication and optimization strategies. He’s developed a 7-or-8 point list of content strategizing for all of his clients, making social media = content marketing synonymous.

 

Less Teaching In This Area?

I asked Marc if he has noticed less of a need for teaching, with more and more people realizing they need content. He said clients choose Social Deviant because they embrace the fact they need to be better content marketers. SD only pursues like-minded clients. Marc says: if you stink at advertising we’re probably not your guys, and I don’t have the time or energy to convince you that that’s the wrong approach! Instead, he is looking for clients who know they need to be smarter. The question isn’t just about social media, it’s about how to be a better content marketer, when clients approach SD.

 

Content Marketing As A Whole

SD also looks at all aspects and pieces of content marketing as content, and put a calendar together based on all aspects. They are re-defining what the marketing calendar looks like, driven by content. Put the word social aside, replace it with content. If you have a 12-month calendar, X budget, Y business objectives, what do you need to do to deliver on your marketing objectives? That could be a billboard, a long-form video, a Vine, infographic, images, all of the above. All of this is content. Which of these units make the most impact? Marc admitted it could be cheating—but he has put everything around content, which puts his company in a central role with all his clients. He’s taken the specific word social and replaced it with content.

 

At the ANA Social Summit in San Francisco, Social Deviant presented their new content calendar, driven by content formats that includes all online and offline content types. Interesting—at a social media summit, they presented an integrated content calendar! Incidentally, it’s now being used by big names like Farmer’s Insurance and was a hit when it was presented.

 

Marc said that what Express Writers does is very specific, very fantastic, and a great compliment to work that he’s doing. I told him we should hook this together! He said that we absolutely should, and offered to strategize together on a Join.me meeting with terrific opportunities to collaborate.

 

Long-Form Blogs Are Great, Marc Says

I then asked Marc how he saw other content products fitting into the realm of social media and content marketing: infographics, whitepapers, e-books. He said that Social Deviant has basically construed a taxonomy, built across categories and tags, across social platforms. He specifically mentioned that SD loves “long-form blog content.” Google, Marc said, over-indexes it, and it’s even more powerful if you’re smart about the way you blog and you use tags, etc., which is overlooked by clients but yet enormously relevant.

 

SM Tools

Marc then listed some of the tools that he loves for content curation and discovery: content discovery for hashtags, VideoDeck. He still saw the value of Hootsuite; but there is growing competition there, with bigger clients looking at specific curation, syndication, analytical, or all-of-the-above needs. Adobe Social integrations have been growing.

 

We ended the call with Marc saying: there should be less hand-waving agency guys and more of you! Very excited to get Marc’s feedback, and it was an honor to talk to him.